Comments on: Advanced structures for competences http://blogs.cetis.org.uk/asimong/2011/02/07/advanced-structures-for-competences/ Cetis blog Tue, 22 Aug 2017 13:13:28 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=4.1.22 By: Simon Grant http://blogs.cetis.org.uk/asimong/2011/02/07/advanced-structures-for-competences/#comment-117 Tue, 05 Jul 2011 13:01:25 +0000 http://blogs.cetis.org.uk/asimong/?p=489#comment-117 Tom – maybe that could count as a “decompositionalist” more than a “reductionist” point of view – that you really can decompose this kind of concept into well-designed component parts, without losing anything. I think You’re not advocating “reducing” the meaning of competence to lower-order concepts, but rather that you can add components such as “bringing the whole together”. I think this would work very well for teaching, learning and assessment, though I can see people potentially objecting to it in terms of the definition of a competence in itself…

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By: TomK http://blogs.cetis.org.uk/asimong/2011/02/07/advanced-structures-for-competences/#comment-116 Fri, 03 Jun 2011 11:02:48 +0000 http://blogs.cetis.org.uk/asimong/?p=489#comment-116 I would like to advocate a reductionist approach (I may have missed the point). But from a computing perspective the competence can be ground into fine grained components. Can’t any gaps that arise during practice should be noted and fed back into the competence and become either a new element in the competence or need a new type of evidence?

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By: Simon Grant http://blogs.cetis.org.uk/asimong/2011/02/07/advanced-structures-for-competences/#comment-115 Thu, 10 Mar 2011 09:03:14 +0000 http://blogs.cetis.org.uk/asimong/?p=489#comment-115 Alan, I think you would be completely right if I were advocating a reductionist approach to this. But I’m not…

In fact, elsewhere I explicitly clarify that to me, competence in a role is often more than the sum of the basic knowledge and skills that are its necessary components. The residue can perhaps be expressed as “making adequate choices”, as I have expressed in a presentation elsewhere. This is closely tied up with codes of conduct, codes of practice, professionalism and ethics.

Or you can see it from the point of view of assessment. Basic component skills can be assessed at a test station of some kind. It just needs the right equipment. But there is a whole area of competence, in real life, in active roles, that cannot be assessed other than in that real life, in terms including all the various consequences, anticipated and unanticipated, of one’s actions.

Where I would definitely agree is that we often cannot specify precisely what the competence comprises.

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By: Alan Paull http://blogs.cetis.org.uk/asimong/2011/02/07/advanced-structures-for-competences/#comment-114 Wed, 09 Mar 2011 11:02:28 +0000 http://blogs.cetis.org.uk/asimong/?p=489#comment-114 If you decompose a competence into more fine-grained component competencies (which I’ve just called ‘components’ below), there are I think two specific problems inherent in this reductionist approach.

(1) Gaps between the components. How do you make certain that the sum of all your components is equivalent to the overall competence? Domain specific understanding might help here. But you might find that one component is more important than another and a person’s weakness in that component ought to make a difference to the overall competency. Or on the other hand, maybe weakness in 4 of 6 components is irrelevant and can be ignored in relation to overall competence.

(2) A systems thinking approach suggests that there may well be emergent properties here that could easily be lost when competencies are decomposed.

I think that ‘nursing’ suffered from this type of approach. Some commentators have said (and I paraphrase greatly) that decomposing nursing competencies has led to insufficient stress on basic nursing care (cleaning, feeding, human interaction).

I suspect that with ‘competence’, we need to keep hold of the idea that these structures are tools and aids, but demonstrably not the whole picture. So we may not need to attempt to reflect everything electronically; good enough is sufficient.

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By: Poh S. http://blogs.cetis.org.uk/asimong/2011/02/07/advanced-structures-for-competences/#comment-113 Tue, 08 Mar 2011 05:16:03 +0000 http://blogs.cetis.org.uk/asimong/?p=489#comment-113 Good posting! Thank you so much again! I’m a big fan of your blog! It is very interesting for those who are interested in e-portfolio like me! :-)

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