Comments on: Are OERs just Re-usable Learning Objects with an open license? http://blogs.cetis.org.uk/johnr/2010/09/01/rlosoersopened/ Cetis Blogs Wed, 25 Jan 2012 12:47:46 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=4.1.22 By: Fred Riley http://blogs.cetis.org.uk/johnr/2010/09/01/rlosoersopened/#comment-142 Tue, 19 Oct 2010 10:53:01 +0000 http://blogs.cetis.org.uk/johnr/?p=687#comment-142 Try telling OU OpenLearn that all their OER material is just a bunch of learning objects. Unless you define ‘learning object’ as ‘anything that exists to support learning’ (which some do, but which is meaningless), you can’t say that full-blown 30-credit course materials are ‘learning objects’. And I write this as someone who’s been developing RLOs for the last 7 years as part of a team that’s effectively RLOs ‘R’ Us (sonet.nottingham.ac.uk/rlos/).

Still, the title’s a nice wind-up ;)

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By: JohnR http://blogs.cetis.org.uk/johnr/2010/09/01/rlosoersopened/#comment-141 Fri, 15 Oct 2010 13:31:44 +0000 http://blogs.cetis.org.uk/johnr/?p=687#comment-141 Alan, David – thank you for your comments.

Alan, I agree that for many people who’ve been involved in Learning Object initiatives OER is a logical next step, for many learning technologists and involved academics it is a natural extension or evolution of the desire to share which you note.

On the tech side of the distinction
I think the, admittedly minor, difference emerges more for those completely new to this area, who either through reading papers from the heyday of ‘learning objects’ or from getting advice from some groups make the assumption that releasing OERs requires a repository, LOM records, and IMS CP or SCORM packages. This is certainly one valid technical approach but not the only one.
In the context of the first round of UKOER we had the inverse of the challenge that David addresses in his keynote, in that we were trying to point out to OER projects that it wasn’t compulsory to become Learning Object repositories in order to release OER.

David – I’m intrigued by the presence of ‘Durable’ on that slide; though I’ll need to read through the rest of the slides to check I’ve understood your usage correctly, the debates around the preservation of learning materials tend to a fairly inconclusive case for durable (as much as I might like there to be one).

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By: David Wiley http://blogs.cetis.org.uk/johnr/2010/09/01/rlosoersopened/#comment-140 Wed, 13 Oct 2010 15:47:25 +0000 http://blogs.cetis.org.uk/johnr/?p=687#comment-140 I published a brief piece (two pages) on this issue last year which I would recommend if you’re interested in the topic of the LO / OER relationship:

http://contentdm.lib.byu.edu/cdm4/item_viewer.php?CISOROOT=/IR&CISOPTR=808&CISOBOX=1&REC=5

And at this year’s Latin American Conference on Learning Objects I argued strongly that “learning objects 2.0″ is an appropriate way to think of OER for people who were familiar with the LO construct. See slide 109 in http://www.slideshare.net/opencontent/laclo-2010-openness-and-analytics-the-future-of-learning-objects for a visual.

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By: Alan Levine http://blogs.cetis.org.uk/johnr/2010/09/01/rlosoersopened/#comment-139 Tue, 12 Oct 2010 20:58:27 +0000 http://blogs.cetis.org.uk/johnr/?p=687#comment-139 Your question is posed well, yet I have to say I am not sure how the differences, if they are, matter. I see them similar in intent- a means to share content that was created for learning.

II see the difference more in the context of the times the arose- RLOs being when the web was bubbling up as a resource of information, but most of the content creation was focused more on the desktop delivery. I was building some of these things at the time in tools like Macromedia Director and others were doing Java applets and early flash pieces. I was of a broader scope of what might be an RLO than your definition, it was 2000 when I worked on the Maricopa Learning eXchange which I see still lives http://www.mcli.dist.maricopa.edu/mlx and we included any item created for learning with the loose metaphor of a “package.”

Over time we saw in places like MERLOT that the items shifted from things we might feel ok calling RLOs to broader things like a web site for teaching study skills, that today (if licensed) we’d more likely call OERs.

The dreams in the RLO days that we’d have tools to scoop up sly the objects and process them out as a complete piece of content or activity made of disparate parts. That was partially achieved in places but not broadly. The difference is now I guess that it is left to us, the finders of OERs to assemble or link.

To me, I care less about the differences and more about people sharing more bit of what they made and their ideas about it.

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By: JohnR http://blogs.cetis.org.uk/johnr/2010/09/01/rlosoersopened/#comment-138 Thu, 02 Sep 2010 19:16:22 +0000 http://blogs.cetis.org.uk/johnr/?p=687#comment-138 David, yes I think in terms of open assets you’re exactly right; what is a bit murkier for me is the influence of the surrounding practice/ patterns of thought and the possible legacy influence of the RLO approach on how institutions/ people approach sharing.

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By: David Kernohan http://blogs.cetis.org.uk/johnr/2010/09/01/rlosoersopened/#comment-137 Thu, 02 Sep 2010 09:19:09 +0000 http://blogs.cetis.org.uk/johnr/?p=687#comment-137 ? in above is the sign for subset. Bloody ASCII.

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By: David Kernohan http://blogs.cetis.org.uk/johnr/2010/09/01/rlosoersopened/#comment-136 Thu, 02 Sep 2010 09:18:31 +0000 http://blogs.cetis.org.uk/johnr/?p=687#comment-136 For me, an RLO is a packaged learning object designed specifically for use within a VLE, PLE or MLE, whereas an OER can be anything that is useful educationally and is licensed in such a way that it can be fully used educationally. So:

RLO ? OER

(I think).

Great post, thank you!

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