Comments on: The thorny issue of MOOCs and OER http://blogs.cetis.org.uk/lmc/2013/05/10/the-thorny-issue-of-moocs-and-oer/ Cetis Blog Fri, 05 Jul 2013 07:17:37 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=4.1.22 By: Fred Riley http://blogs.cetis.org.uk/lmc/2013/05/10/the-thorny-issue-of-moocs-and-oer/#comment-313 Wed, 05 Jun 2013 15:55:26 +0000 http://blogs.cetis.org.uk/lmc/?p=844#comment-313 Adam: “but mostly because the academics are not persuaded by the OER arguments. ”

That’s what’s so depressing about the Soton situation, that after so many years of the worldwide OER movement, after it being pushed bigtime in UKHE by Jisc and other funding bodies, after it being backed by major UKHE institutions, after the effective death of content copyright (for all that institutions are paranoid about IPR), academics still want to assert control over their content.

When I was at Nottingham Uni, one of the few UKHE institutions that went for OER bigtime, the top dogs from the VC down actively supported and funded the ‘OER agenda’, and that pushed academics and teachers into both producing and using OERs. Their scepticism of OER and anal-retentive tendencies were overruled by institutional policy, and many of my colleagues came to actively support both the principle and practice of OER. I’d hoped that other institutions would take on this approach.

OER was the big wave of the last few years, but it looks like it’s crashed and dissipated and we’re back in the sad old world of proprietised content.

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By: Adam Warren http://blogs.cetis.org.uk/lmc/2013/05/10/the-thorny-issue-of-moocs-and-oer/#comment-312 Wed, 05 Jun 2013 15:13:08 +0000 http://blogs.cetis.org.uk/lmc/?p=844#comment-312 Fred – the Futurelearn T&C also include a section on Creative Commons licenced material, making it clear that academics and institutions can choose to apply a Creative Commons Attribution-NonCommercial-NoDerivs 3.0 Licence to some (or all) of the material. So still not as open as you might wish (not a CC-BY only) but definitely a step in the right direction.

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By: Adam Warren http://blogs.cetis.org.uk/lmc/2013/05/10/the-thorny-issue-of-moocs-and-oer/#comment-311 Wed, 05 Jun 2013 14:25:03 +0000 http://blogs.cetis.org.uk/lmc/?p=844#comment-311 Fred, I think you are being a bit hard on our academics, given that ALL of our research output is made freely available via ePrints (although there are sometimes good reasons to delay or prevent public access to these pre-prints). And we are not going backwards – for example all of the resources in our Faculty of Medicine will soon be shared internally via a newly updated and enhanced versionof our EdShare repository. Yes, only internally – partly for licencing or legal reasons (eg images of human tissue) but mostly because the academics are not persuaded by the OER arguments.

There is of course nothing to stop academics from developing MOOCs using OERs, and sites like Utubersity are heading in this direction: http://utubersity.com/

As for the political dimension of MOOCs, well you’re absolutely right. The revolution has already been commercialised. The only hope is for the proletariat to rise up and utterly reject the epistomological hegemony of academe!

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By: Fred Riley http://blogs.cetis.org.uk/lmc/2013/05/10/the-thorny-issue-of-moocs-and-oer/#comment-310 Wed, 05 Jun 2013 13:44:53 +0000 http://blogs.cetis.org.uk/lmc/?p=844#comment-310 I’ve just now looked at the T&C on the revamped FutureLearn site, and in the dense legalese which no punter is ever going to read, about a third of the way down under “FutureLearn’s intellectual property rights”, it reads:

All content or other material available on the FutureLearn Site or through the Online Courses, including but not limited to on-line lectures, speeches, video lessons, quizzes, presentation materials, homework assignments, programming assignments, programs, code, and other images, text, layouts, arrangements, displays, illustrations, documents, materials, audio and video clips, or files (collectively, the “Content”), are the property of FutureLearn and/or its affiliates or its or their licensors and are protected by copyright, patent and/or other proprietary intellectual property rights under the laws of England and other countries.

This is depressing, and very disappointing given the OU’s exemplary role in the OER movement and their making their course content available under the excellent Openlearng platform. I can’t believe that the OU would have agreed to such proprietorial anally-retentive conditions without severe pressure from the other members of the FutureLearn consortium.

I’m rather glad now that I was rejected for the FL post, though I did give a deliberately provocative presentation which was designed to bring out the background ideology and philosophy of FL, and which definitely wound up the Suit on the panel.

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By: Lorna http://blogs.cetis.org.uk/lmc/2013/05/10/the-thorny-issue-of-moocs-and-oer/#comment-309 Wed, 05 Jun 2013 13:34:03 +0000 http://blogs.cetis.org.uk/lmc/?p=844#comment-309 Fred, sorry it’s take me so long to approve your comment, pesky spam filter. All I can say is that I agree with you whole heartedly. Sadly the appearance of the FutureLearn Terms and Conditions today only seems to confirm everything you’ve said.

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By: Fred Riley http://blogs.cetis.org.uk/lmc/2013/05/10/the-thorny-issue-of-moocs-and-oer/#comment-308 Mon, 03 Jun 2013 15:53:50 +0000 http://blogs.cetis.org.uk/lmc/?p=844#comment-308 I applied for a FutureLearn post at Leeds and did a heck of a lot of reading up on MOOCs, and from that I certainly concur with your view that the relationship between MOOCs and OER is “problematic at best”. I’d be inclined to add “inimical at worst”, and as you point out the MOOC movement has hijacked the word “open” from OER to mean “open” in the sense of “open to all”, not “open for reuse”. Adam’s comments are depressing, as they indicate that Soton academics are going backwards to the anally-retentive days prior to the OER wave, but they’re not entirely surprising – some MOOC models are proprietorial and plainly FutureLearn has decided to go down that path.

Perhaps MOOCs will spell the death knell of OER? As a passionate believer in the principles of OER I would very much hope not, yet there’s a flip of a lot of corporate and State moolah behind MOOCs which is building a behemoth, a juggernaut that could crush all in its path.

Of course, some non-corporate MOOCs could be consistent with OER principles. What’s become very clear to me is that there are underlying socio-political ideologies behind MOOCs, from Left socialist through liberal to Right corporate. That much discussion of MOOCs is concentrating on “business models” is a worrying development to me, as a free education leftie idealist, as is the prominence of neo-corporatist collectivism as a MOOC knowledge paradigm. I think that this subsurface political agenda is something that has just not been discussed in the open, and I really think it ought to be before the right corporatist model becomes the accepted paradigm.

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By: Adam Warren http://blogs.cetis.org.uk/lmc/2013/05/10/the-thorny-issue-of-moocs-and-oer/#comment-307 Tue, 14 May 2013 11:15:03 +0000 http://blogs.cetis.org.uk/lmc/?p=844#comment-307 Hi Lorna, HumBox is a good example of how the technology supports the development of a fairly homogenous community that values sharing. That is very different from simply putting your resources online with a CC licence and having no feedback or acknowledgement about their use. All of the successful sharing sites (YouTube, Flickr, Tumblr, ccMixter etc etc) include comments and community. We have an institutional respository (EdShare) which is well used, but there are some concerns about sharing resources that are either “good enough for students but not a worldwide audience” or “contain resources that may infringe copyright, but are OK for use in class”. Plenty of contradictions to unpack there…

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By: Lorna http://blogs.cetis.org.uk/lmc/2013/05/10/the-thorny-issue-of-moocs-and-oer/#comment-306 Tue, 14 May 2013 10:33:19 +0000 http://blogs.cetis.org.uk/lmc/?p=844#comment-306 Hi Imogen, thanks for your comment. OcTEL is indeed a very good example of a MOOC that puts its money where its mouth is in terms of openness!

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By: Lorna http://blogs.cetis.org.uk/lmc/2013/05/10/the-thorny-issue-of-moocs-and-oer/#comment-305 Tue, 14 May 2013 10:31:07 +0000 http://blogs.cetis.org.uk/lmc/?p=844#comment-305 Hi Adam, many thanks for your comment. It’s really helpful to hear from someone who is actually involved in the FutureLearn development. It’s interesting to hear that the academics that you’re working with are resistant to the use of CC licences and concerned about their educational content being reused in other contexts, particularly given that Southampton has been active in promoting the development of open educational resources through initiatives such as HumBox. Any thoughts on why this should be?

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By: Lorna http://blogs.cetis.org.uk/lmc/2013/05/10/the-thorny-issue-of-moocs-and-oer/#comment-304 Tue, 14 May 2013 09:54:48 +0000 http://blogs.cetis.org.uk/lmc/?p=844#comment-304 Pat, sadly I think you may well be right.

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