Comments on: Turnitin win copyright decision in US http://blogs.cetis.org.uk/rowin/2009/08/06/turnitin-win-copyright-decision-in-us/ Cetis Blog Thu, 29 Mar 2012 22:41:08 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=4.1.22 By: Deterrents don’t deter? « Rowin’s Blog http://blogs.cetis.org.uk/rowin/2009/08/06/turnitin-win-copyright-decision-in-us/#comment-90 Thu, 26 Jan 2012 13:32:58 +0000 http://blogs.cetis.org.uk/rowin/?p=171#comment-90 […] that plagiarism only occurs through a deliberate desire to cheat, and as I’ve argued before, positions all students as potential cheats rather than as developing academics who may be in need […]

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By: rowin http://blogs.cetis.org.uk/rowin/2009/08/06/turnitin-win-copyright-decision-in-us/#comment-89 Fri, 07 Aug 2009 12:20:32 +0000 http://blogs.cetis.org.uk/rowin/?p=171#comment-89 @Stephen Sharon
That’s a very interesting article, and I do sympathise with the students’ case. It will be interesting to see what happens next.

Certainly here in the UK many institutions (like the one linked in the article) require students to assign IPR for their work to the university. The policy linked justifies this partly so that ‘there is parity of treatment between students and staff in relation to IPR’, but there seems to me to be a big difference between work produced by staff who are paid by the university, and by students who pay (directly or indirectly) to be there. I think that by claiming IP rights over students’ work, universities might feel that some of these issues (not including any copyright issues) are moot, but the whole issue of universities claiming these rights is something I also feel is worth looking at.

The fact that Turnitin is run commercially rather than as a non-commercial service of some kind makes me more uncomfortable about the whole thing.

However, I’m definitely not a lawyer, and I do think that if Turnitin is going to be with us for some time we could at least look at ways that students can actually benefit from it through its use as a teaching aid.

I hope you’re right that the debate will continue as I do feel it’s a debate that is needed; it would also be interesting to see how it’s addressed in Scots and English law as well as US.

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By: Stephen Sharon http://blogs.cetis.org.uk/rowin/2009/08/06/turnitin-win-copyright-decision-in-us/#comment-88 Thu, 06 Aug 2009 16:28:17 +0000 http://blogs.cetis.org.uk/rowin/?p=171#comment-88 I don’t think the reasoning is clear at all that Turnitin should have won this case had it not settled.

For anyone interested in reading why the students should have won I suggest reading http://www.iposgoode.ca/2009/06/us-circuit-court-of-appeals-rules-that-turnitins-fight-against-plagiarism-does-not-violate/ or the paper available for download at http://ssrn.com/author=1259310

I wrote both articles after extensive research into copyright and fair use laws and not merely in response to a news article. The students have a strong case and I don’t think we’ve seen the end of this debate.

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By: Bob http://blogs.cetis.org.uk/rowin/2009/08/06/turnitin-win-copyright-decision-in-us/#comment-87 Thu, 06 Aug 2009 09:51:49 +0000 http://blogs.cetis.org.uk/rowin/?p=171#comment-87 What’s worse is how instructors are clueless to the property right implications. Example, here’s an instructor who, on Twitter, declares that she is going to use TurnItIn because “I will NOT have time to worry about copycats.” http://twitter.com/sharynjoy/statuses/3146972130

Essentially, this instructor is saying “I am going to require all of my HONEST students to permanently archive their work FOREVER on servers of questionable security, because I ‘don’t have time'”. This is lame.

Honest Students should NOT be punished, and should retain the right to destroy their papers FOREVER at the end of the term. In fact, destroying the papers would assure that they can’t be copied – FAR better than archiving them forever on crappy Internet-based servers.

Read the terms of that TurnItIn Contract! They admit that they cannot secure them from hackers and require an irrevocable permanent license to be able to store AND SELL the papers.

It’s a bad deal for your honest students, teachers! WAKE UP!

Don’t use TurnItIn because you are too lazy, or don’t “have time to worry about copycats.”

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