Comments on: Learning Analytics, where do you stand? http://blogs.cetis.org.uk/sheilamacneill/2012/03/09/learning-analytics-where-do-you-stand/ Cetis blog Mon, 07 Oct 2013 10:54:02 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=4.1.22 By: Our favourite posts of 2012 http://blogs.cetis.org.uk/sheilamacneill/2012/03/09/learning-analytics-where-do-you-stand/#comment-3494 Wed, 09 Jan 2013 16:09:32 +0000 http://blogs.cetis.org.uk/sheilamacneill/?p=1406#comment-3494 […] second one, is one of those posts that I kind of wrote off the cuff and is “learning analytics, where do you stand?”. It was really useful to reflect on a presentation from Gardner Campbell about learning analytics, […]

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By: The Importance of a Data-driven Infrastructure « UK Web Focus http://blogs.cetis.org.uk/sheilamacneill/2012/03/09/learning-analytics-where-do-you-stand/#comment-3493 Mon, 17 Sep 2012 15:34:16 +0000 http://blogs.cetis.org.uk/sheilamacneill/?p=1406#comment-3493 […] learning analytics. Of particular interest were Sheila MacNeill’s post in which she asked Learning Analytics, where do you stand? (which generated a lively discussion); Making Sense of “Analytics” (which linked to a […]

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By: Adam Cooper’s Work Blog » A Poem for Analytics http://blogs.cetis.org.uk/sheilamacneill/2012/03/09/learning-analytics-where-do-you-stand/#comment-3492 Fri, 18 May 2012 10:33:06 +0000 http://blogs.cetis.org.uk/sheilamacneill/?p=1406#comment-3492 […] That these traps exist and are seemingly not recognised in the commercial and corporate rhetoric around analytics worries the more philosphically-minded; Virginia Tech’s Garner Campbell has shared some clear and well-received thoughts on the potential for damaging reductionism in Learning Analytics. I particularly like Anne Zelenka’s blogged reaction to Gardner’s LAK12 MOOC (I believe there is a recording but elluminate recordings don’t seem to play on linux) and my colleague Sheila has also blogged on the topic. […]

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By: Adam Cooper’s Work Blog » Making Sense of “Analytics” http://blogs.cetis.org.uk/sheilamacneill/2012/03/09/learning-analytics-where-do-you-stand/#comment-3491 Wed, 02 May 2012 15:22:52 +0000 http://blogs.cetis.org.uk/sheilamacneill/?p=1406#comment-3491 […] This paper is the first of a series that CETIS is producing and commissioning. These will be emerging during the coming months and collected together in a unified online resource in July/August. This is referred to briefly by Sheila MacNeill in her recent post “Learning Analytics, where do you stand?” […]

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By: Yet more activity data work http://blogs.cetis.org.uk/sheilamacneill/2012/03/09/learning-analytics-where-do-you-stand/#comment-3490 Wed, 25 Apr 2012 17:13:12 +0000 http://blogs.cetis.org.uk/sheilamacneill/?p=1406#comment-3490 […] And secondly, we are collaborating with Sero to contribute to CETIS‘s current work on their Analytics Landscape Study. […]

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By: “Here I stand” – Campbell’s concerns on analytics and other stuff « The Weblog of (a) David Jones http://blogs.cetis.org.uk/sheilamacneill/2012/03/09/learning-analytics-where-do-you-stand/#comment-3489 Wed, 28 Mar 2012 04:02:41 +0000 http://blogs.cetis.org.uk/sheilamacneill/?p=1406#comment-3489 […] MacNeil offers another summary of Gardner’s talk and points to other work. It was from Shelia’s post that I came across Exploiting activity […]

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By: Sheila MacNeill http://blogs.cetis.org.uk/sheilamacneill/2012/03/09/learning-analytics-where-do-you-stand/#comment-3488 Thu, 15 Mar 2012 10:03:26 +0000 http://blogs.cetis.org.uk/sheilamacneill/?p=1406#comment-3488 Hi Martin

Glad you found it useful, and for the further links. Rebecca has also linked to work Simon is involved in too.

Sheila

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By: Martin Hawksey http://blogs.cetis.org.uk/sheilamacneill/2012/03/09/learning-analytics-where-do-you-stand/#comment-3487 Thu, 15 Mar 2012 09:40:30 +0000 http://blogs.cetis.org.uk/sheilamacneill/?p=1406#comment-3487 I’m arriving to the party late but others have found your post and Gardner Campbell’s session very useful. I particularly liked the way Gardner turns the problem on it’s head highlighting things like using analytics to surface interventions around when someone is about to learn rather than fail.

The follow-up session by Simon Buckingham Shum at the OU dovetails nicely with Gardner’s session outlining the idea of an Open Learning Analytics ecosystem where the community can deposit and reuse analytics data which should help research explore ways to surface things like positive intervention http://lak12.wikispaces.com/Recordings

[You can also see parallels to this with the recent Value and benefits of text mining report http://www.jisc.ac.uk/news/stories/2012/03/textmining.aspx

Martin

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By: Sheilamacneill http://blogs.cetis.org.uk/sheilamacneill/2012/03/09/learning-analytics-where-do-you-stand/#comment-3486 Sat, 10 Mar 2012 14:52:44 +0000 http://blogs.cetis.org.uk/sheilamacneill/?p=1406#comment-3486 Hi Stephen

That’s odd – I thought everything was open to anyone. Here is the main website for the course http://lak12.mooc.ca/ – maybe navigating to the course recordings that way will work – it did for me.

Sheila

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By: Sheilamacneill http://blogs.cetis.org.uk/sheilamacneill/2012/03/09/learning-analytics-where-do-you-stand/#comment-3485 Sat, 10 Mar 2012 14:51:41 +0000 http://blogs.cetis.org.uk/sheilamacneill/?p=1406#comment-3485 Hi Rob

Totally agree and that’s kind of what I was getting at. We need to ensure people get the chance to be involved in the process of gathering and using data, not just presented with “stuff” other thing are useful. If we only measure part of the picture we could end up in the ‘teaching to data’ trap like the teaching to the test trap. I think initially we just have to let people join the conversation.

S

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By: Stephen http://blogs.cetis.org.uk/sheilamacneill/2012/03/09/learning-analytics-where-do-you-stand/#comment-3484 Sat, 10 Mar 2012 13:53:10 +0000 http://blogs.cetis.org.uk/sheilamacneill/?p=1406#comment-3484 Hi Sheila, when I take the suggested link “Here I Stand”, although I have a wikispaces account, the space is restricted…

“Invite-Only Wiki
This wiki has restricted membership. Contact the wiki organizers for details.”

Any suggestions for getting access?

Thanks, Stephen.

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By: @Rob_work http://blogs.cetis.org.uk/sheilamacneill/2012/03/09/learning-analytics-where-do-you-stand/#comment-3483 Fri, 09 Mar 2012 19:36:26 +0000 http://blogs.cetis.org.uk/sheilamacneill/?p=1406#comment-3483 One map? or many…I think it is the actions precipitated by the data that are the issue…
Years ago I remember talking to the team at Alton College, they’d surfaced student target data, attendance data and such like in a manner that allowed the student services folk to make interventions and support students before things got too bad…
the same data might be used by someone else to cull problem students.

It’s not what you’ve got, it’s what you do with it that counts… how do we support a moral framework around decision making?

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By: Sheilamacneill http://blogs.cetis.org.uk/sheilamacneill/2012/03/09/learning-analytics-where-do-you-stand/#comment-3482 Fri, 09 Mar 2012 17:06:33 +0000 http://blogs.cetis.org.uk/sheilamacneill/?p=1406#comment-3482 Thanks Rebecca – your project is definAtely on our list for the reconnoiter. And either me or one of my colleagues will no doubt be touch about it, I’m also hoping to got to LAK12 to catch up other developments too.

Sheila

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By: Rebecca Ferguson http://blogs.cetis.org.uk/sheilamacneill/2012/03/09/learning-analytics-where-do-you-stand/#comment-3481 Fri, 09 Mar 2012 16:19:53 +0000 http://blogs.cetis.org.uk/sheilamacneill/?p=1406#comment-3481 Hi Sheila, I missed Gardner Campbell’s online talk at the time, but was inspired to go and watch the recording after reading an enthusiastic blog account.
He picked up on some of the themes we have been working on at The Open University’s SocialLearn project as we try to develop social learning analytics that can support people to learn together online – not just in the classes and cohorts of formal education, but in the wider networks, communities and affinity groups that are important when we learn outside educational institutions.
I’ve just finished work on a review of the academic literature around analytics in education. As Wilbert commented, there are several audiences for analytics, and these audiences are using them for different purposes. In addition, the literature shows three main driving forces: technological (how can we extract value from ‘big data’ in the context of education?), educational (how can we use the understandings generated within the learning sciences, together with the big datasets we now have available, to support learning and teaching?) and political (how can we use analytics to improve our nation’s educational standards?). I think two-dimensional approaches to analytics emerged as an early response to the first of these drivers – and Gardner’s talk pushes us towards the second of these drivers and more learning-based approaches.
The review’s now online as a Technical Report – you might find it useful as you are carrying out your Analytics Reconnoitre http://kmi.open.ac.uk/publications/techreport/kmi-12-01

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By: Sheilamacneill http://blogs.cetis.org.uk/sheilamacneill/2012/03/09/learning-analytics-where-do-you-stand/#comment-3480 Fri, 09 Mar 2012 14:53:30 +0000 http://blogs.cetis.org.uk/sheilamacneill/?p=1406#comment-3480 Thanks David, it’s hard to disagree with that voice sometimes:-) And again I would recommend everyone taking 45 minutes to listen to the session.

s

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By: dkernohan http://blogs.cetis.org.uk/sheilamacneill/2012/03/09/learning-analytics-where-do-you-stand/#comment-3479 Fri, 09 Mar 2012 14:47:15 +0000 http://blogs.cetis.org.uk/sheilamacneill/?p=1406#comment-3479 Thanks for this post – a really useful contribution to the “analytics” debate. I always find myself agreeing with Gartner Campbell on this as with other issues.

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By: Sheilamacneill http://blogs.cetis.org.uk/sheilamacneill/2012/03/09/learning-analytics-where-do-you-stand/#comment-3478 Fri, 09 Mar 2012 13:14:40 +0000 http://blogs.cetis.org.uk/sheilamacneill/?p=1406#comment-3478 Hi Wilbert

Thanks for you comments.

I can see that there does need to be some reductive processes involved, however I think what I (and indeed Gardner conveys far more eloquently ) is that there isn’t just one map and you can only see the directions needed for driving to you destination when you are walking. Or indeed you don’t have to take the most direct route – an indirect one might be much more valuable in terms of and educational experience.

Sheila

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By: Sheilamacneill http://blogs.cetis.org.uk/sheilamacneill/2012/03/09/learning-analytics-where-do-you-stand/#comment-3477 Fri, 09 Mar 2012 13:08:56 +0000 http://blogs.cetis.org.uk/sheilamacneill/?p=1406#comment-3477 Of course it does, and I should have realised that you of all people wouldn’t forget students:-)

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By: Wilbert http://blogs.cetis.org.uk/sheilamacneill/2012/03/09/learning-analytics-where-do-you-stand/#comment-3476 Fri, 09 Mar 2012 12:35:48 +0000 http://blogs.cetis.org.uk/sheilamacneill/?p=1406#comment-3476 I think your post highlights two issues:

The terminology issue points at the question of audience: is it for managers, teachers or learners? I’m sure we’ll settle on a good term for the application of analytical methods to learning in general, but it’ll always be crucial to bear in mind who the audience is.

The question of reductionism is more fundamental: I think analytics has to be reductive to work. A map that faithfully reproduces the full complexity of reality is useless. A map must simplify so that people can find the interesting and rich parts they’re looking for.

In that sense, I think there might be a tendency to over-estimate what analytics can do; If there are no clear quantifiable dependent variables, then the techniques we refer to by the name of ‘analytics’ are the wrong tool for the problem at hand. Al we can hope for is that it points at that problem.

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By: Mark Stubbs http://blogs.cetis.org.uk/sheilamacneill/2012/03/09/learning-analytics-where-do-you-stand/#comment-3475 Fri, 09 Mar 2012 12:32:27 +0000 http://blogs.cetis.org.uk/sheilamacneill/?p=1406#comment-3475 Hoped wording of the message would work for both staff and students as I’ve found a wealth of research talent in the student community and some great opportunities for learning through collaboration

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By: Sheilamacneill http://blogs.cetis.org.uk/sheilamacneill/2012/03/09/learning-analytics-where-do-you-stand/#comment-3474 Fri, 09 Mar 2012 11:49:38 +0000 http://blogs.cetis.org.uk/sheilamacneill/?p=1406#comment-3474 Thanks Mark, and yes that sounds like a much better way to approach staff – and we should do the same with students too.

S

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By: Mark Stubbs http://blogs.cetis.org.uk/sheilamacneill/2012/03/09/learning-analytics-where-do-you-stand/#comment-3473 Fri, 09 Mar 2012 11:00:21 +0000 http://blogs.cetis.org.uk/sheilamacneill/?p=1406#comment-3473 Hi Sheila
A timely post, which made me think of Emily Collins’ recent WonkHE call for universities to remember they have people who are good at doing research but just don’t approach things like student engagement in that way. Perhaps we need something like…

Dear talented researchers,
There is a really interesting, continually emerging research situation very close to home.
Whether participative or illustrative, your methods and findings could make a real difference to the experience and outcomes of the learning community that surrounds you.
The good news is that there’s probably a network of people in your institution willing to work with you to design and build research instruments.
A label of “Learning Analytics” may ring some alarm bells and probably calls to mind the Einstein quote “Everything that can be counted does not necessarily count; everything that counts cannot necessarily be counted” but that’s why this project needs you!

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