Comments on: How to succeed at Mooc-ing without really trying http://blogs.cetis.org.uk/sheilamacneill/2013/01/20/how-to-succeed-at-mooc-ing-without-really-trying/ Cetis blog Mon, 07 Oct 2013 10:54:02 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=4.1.22 By: Sheilamacneill http://blogs.cetis.org.uk/sheilamacneill/2013/01/20/how-to-succeed-at-mooc-ing-without-really-trying/#comment-4270 Sun, 24 Feb 2013 18:51:44 +0000 http://blogs.cetis.org.uk/sheilamacneill/?p=2004#comment-4270 Hi Bel

Thank you for taking the time to comment. Firstly this post was written with my tongue very firmly in my cheek and yes it does reflect the “cosy” working world which I am all to aware I am fortunate to be part of.

Far from distaining MOOCs, I’m embracing them and the fantastic opportunity they are giving me and thousands of others. I hope that this is apparent in my other posts about my experiences. I make no claim to be particularly well educated – mainly because I am all to aware that I am not. So I welcome your comments as a counter point to my post and other comments.

I do have concerns that some MOOCs are aimed at “people like me” and aren’t addressing some of the bigger challenges in education our societies faces which need as much investment in face to face teaching as in content development. But they are being seen as “the answer” to what many call our broken education systems.
Sheila

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By: Bel http://blogs.cetis.org.uk/sheilamacneill/2013/01/20/how-to-succeed-at-mooc-ing-without-really-trying/#comment-4269 Sun, 24 Feb 2013 18:00:30 +0000 http://blogs.cetis.org.uk/sheilamacneill/?p=2004#comment-4269 Pardon the intrusion, I very much feel this conversation is not intended for people like me, so I’m completely failing to see the funny side.

And by people like me let me clarify – with a lifelong love of learning in all it’s diverse forms, financially crushed by the global farce that’s been the world economy for the last five years, and so no longer able to invest in even the simplest educational tools (books!) and for whom the cost of online learning from traditional third level institutions is laughably out of reach – and trust me I’ve tried all the providers and all the funding options, short of streetwalking.

By contrast to people like you, and for you to have any grasp of my perception of people like you, you’ll need to know the route that led me here. Trawling bccampus.ca in the hope of finding some good news on the educational front, I stumble across a post regarding strategic planning, which includes correspondence with Sheila & David K of JISC, which is touted as so insightful and relevant that it must be shared with all.

It opened well, though it took on a puzzling tone, and having read it through, I went back to follow some of the links – which brought me here. Penny drops, light dawns. For insight read cynicism, for relevant read shared stance.

I have to admit to being somewhat dismayed that those who purport to be professionals in the field of the advancement of education across new boundaries, feel it appropriate to publicly snigger and deride an approach still in its infancy. I can only be supremely grateful that such naysayers didn’t manage to deter Gutenberg when he was working out the kinks on his press, or that first nameless individual who came up with the bright if somewhat bizarre idea of turning animal skins into writing surfaces – how you’d have enjoyed making a mockery of that!

But forgive me because it’s apparent that the root of the hilarity is that (God forbid!) if the MOOC approach actually takes root and flourishes, it strikes fear into your very heart doesn’t it? Because where would that leave the exorbitant DVLE offerings that currently fund your smug elitism? Without the ample coin that corporations, colleges and governments currently pay for your ‘insight’ I doubt you’d find it so humorous. Not that I think you have any real cause for fear, since there will always be those who can afford to pay and will do, if only to prove their ability to do so sets them above the masses.

How reassuring to know that the more things change, the more they really fundamentally stay the same.

As an aside, it might interest you to know that many people who engage in the MOOC courses you disdain, have no great interest in the constant sludge of social media. Of those that I’ve taken, twitter has been mentioned once and facebook not at all – for which I confess I am profoundly grateful, being no particular advocate of either. Perhaps if you focused on the content rather than the social whirl, even someone as exceptionally well educated as you purport to be, might actually learn something.

In a traditional classroom setting, you’d be the wittering gossip who’s more interested in discussing what to wear to the rave tonight than paying any attention to the physics problem the teacher is describing – derailing the learning experience for others by forcing the teacher to deal with your insubordination. But thankfully we’re not in that setting, which is why a teacher with thousands of interested students wastes no time on your snidery, you’re not even a blip on their radar.

I was truly heartened to discover MOOCs not just for the increasing range of courses on offer, but also, having dipped my toe, for the depth and quality of the content.

I recognise that nothing I say is likely to have any effect on your mindset, but my purpose is writing is simply to make you aware that there is another point of view, and that there are many people (outside of your cosy world) who benefit from MOOCs in more ways than are dreamt of in your philosphy.

MOOCs may not last forever, what does? But while they’re here, allow those of us without the luxuries of time or money to access traditional education to relish the freedom to learn without your scorn.

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By: Sheilamacneill http://blogs.cetis.org.uk/sheilamacneill/2013/01/20/how-to-succeed-at-mooc-ing-without-really-trying/#comment-4268 Thu, 07 Feb 2013 15:18:17 +0000 http://blogs.cetis.org.uk/sheilamacneill/?p=2004#comment-4268 Paul, do you think I care about charts:-)

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By: Paul Hollins http://blogs.cetis.org.uk/sheilamacneill/2013/01/20/how-to-succeed-at-mooc-ing-without-really-trying/#comment-4267 Thu, 07 Feb 2013 14:59:43 +0000 http://blogs.cetis.org.uk/sheilamacneill/?p=2004#comment-4267 Irony is, you will have no doubt climbed the HE Blogger charts signifciantly what number are you now ?

MOOC’s will eat themselves !

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By: Sheilamacneill http://blogs.cetis.org.uk/sheilamacneill/2013/01/20/how-to-succeed-at-mooc-ing-without-really-trying/#comment-4266 Tue, 05 Feb 2013 12:03:03 +0000 http://blogs.cetis.org.uk/sheilamacneill/?p=2004#comment-4266 Hi Clifton
Glad you liked the post. Yes, physically going somewhere does have its advantages :-)

Sheila

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By: Clifton Kandler http://blogs.cetis.org.uk/sheilamacneill/2013/01/20/how-to-succeed-at-mooc-ing-without-really-trying/#comment-4265 Tue, 05 Feb 2013 11:58:05 +0000 http://blogs.cetis.org.uk/sheilamacneill/?p=2004#comment-4265 Brilliant, very reassuring that it’s not just me struggling with trying to have a life plus take part. I remember being told that one of the benefits of the bricks and mortar approach for many was that it enabled you to escape your other commitments for a few hours a week.

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By: Sheilamacneill http://blogs.cetis.org.uk/sheilamacneill/2013/01/20/how-to-succeed-at-mooc-ing-without-really-trying/#comment-4264 Sun, 27 Jan 2013 18:18:05 +0000 http://blogs.cetis.org.uk/sheilamacneill/?p=2004#comment-4264 Hi Wendy

Thanks for commenting – glad you too use the power of cake to get you through things:-) auto correct is my nemesis too. Doing my best to keep up the obsfucations

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By: Wendy Lavery http://blogs.cetis.org.uk/sheilamacneill/2013/01/20/how-to-succeed-at-mooc-ing-without-really-trying/#comment-4263 Sun, 27 Jan 2013 17:53:55 +0000 http://blogs.cetis.org.uk/sheilamacneill/?p=2004#comment-4263 Thanks for this, Sheila, I had been feeling a touch overwhelmed by all the activity (actually I just mistyped ‘activity’ and auto correct replaced it with ‘civility’ which is quite funny) before the course even started! Having a somewhat overwhelming non cyber life at present, I felt doomed. Luckily, I also met two other people in ‘real life’ at an adult ed event who are also doing the course and hadn’t even known about all the activity, having been too busy to check their emails. This cheered me up instantly and we have made a vow of support, which I hope will involve coffee and cake (even if virtual – I too know how to get lost in the cupcake division of cyberspace. Yikes, I have even been known to make a detour into Funny Cats Land). Anyhoo, look forward to some obscure obfuscations from you in the coming weeks.

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By: Sheilamacneill http://blogs.cetis.org.uk/sheilamacneill/2013/01/20/how-to-succeed-at-mooc-ing-without-really-trying/#comment-4262 Wed, 23 Jan 2013 16:10:33 +0000 http://blogs.cetis.org.uk/sheilamacneill/?p=2004#comment-4262 Thanks for the comment. I think we all have the capacity for obtuse and obscure tweets:-) Yes must patent this soon already noticed a bottlenose sonar of the google hangout yesterday . . .

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By: YogitaRed8 http://blogs.cetis.org.uk/sheilamacneill/2013/01/20/how-to-succeed-at-mooc-ing-without-really-trying/#comment-4261 Wed, 23 Jan 2013 16:05:06 +0000 http://blogs.cetis.org.uk/sheilamacneill/?p=2004#comment-4261 Excellent post Sheila.
Love it, and although I dont have the capacity for obtuse and obscure posts on twitter, I will certainly give it a go.
Certainly the FB group is already overwhelming in sheer size and engagement.
But all in the name of learning, fun and student torture in one form or another.:)
Im sure you can still apply Creative Commons patent to your ideas ;)

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By: @Edu_K http://blogs.cetis.org.uk/sheilamacneill/2013/01/20/how-to-succeed-at-mooc-ing-without-really-trying/#comment-4260 Wed, 23 Jan 2013 01:13:01 +0000 http://blogs.cetis.org.uk/sheilamacneill/?p=2004#comment-4260 Hey Sheila,
This is brilliant – thanks :) Much needed laugh!
From experience, baking a cake for a mooc works well too – make sure to share a pic via twitter…

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By: Sheilamacneill http://blogs.cetis.org.uk/sheilamacneill/2013/01/20/how-to-succeed-at-mooc-ing-without-really-trying/#comment-4259 Tue, 22 Jan 2013 15:13:05 +0000 http://blogs.cetis.org.uk/sheilamacneill/?p=2004#comment-4259 Now that’s a dangerous challenge Peter but I may just take you up on it :-) I have been doing my fair share of “serious” blogs too but I do think a wee bit of humour helps every learning situation.

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By: Peter Miller http://blogs.cetis.org.uk/sheilamacneill/2013/01/20/how-to-succeed-at-mooc-ing-without-really-trying/#comment-4258 Tue, 22 Jan 2013 13:55:47 +0000 http://blogs.cetis.org.uk/sheilamacneill/?p=2004#comment-4258 I think this blog qualifies you for the prevarication alt-badge, Sheila. Possibly upgrade to the cheeky alt-badge if you can do it next week too. :)

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By: Sheilamacneill http://blogs.cetis.org.uk/sheilamacneill/2013/01/20/how-to-succeed-at-mooc-ing-without-really-trying/#comment-4257 Tue, 22 Jan 2013 11:41:53 +0000 http://blogs.cetis.org.uk/sheilamacneill/?p=2004#comment-4257 Good question Paul, you may have realised that blogging is quite a key strategy too. Trick is to write about something that you are interested in, and that might not necessarily be the particular mooc you are writing about Chin stroking in blogs is a great tactic:-) but yes that does take a bit more time.

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By: Paul Jinks http://blogs.cetis.org.uk/sheilamacneill/2013/01/20/how-to-succeed-at-mooc-ing-without-really-trying/#comment-4256 Tue, 22 Jan 2013 11:37:39 +0000 http://blogs.cetis.org.uk/sheilamacneill/?p=2004#comment-4256 Any shortcuts to success with blogging for MOOCs Sheila? Thinking about stuff and then trying to write it down takes aaaaages.

TIA

Paul

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By: Sheilamacneill http://blogs.cetis.org.uk/sheilamacneill/2013/01/20/how-to-succeed-at-mooc-ing-without-really-trying/#comment-4255 Tue, 22 Jan 2013 10:22:47 +0000 http://blogs.cetis.org.uk/sheilamacneill/?p=2004#comment-4255 Hi Jim
Thanks for the comment. This was written from a student perspective, and more a reflection of the sheer amount of activity (or apparent activity in some cases) in MOOCs. I think there are elements of MOOCs that could be incredibly powerful, however I think we are still at the experimental stage. Also from a teaching point of view – trying to moderate any massive online activity is challenging and so if institutions are going to be serious about MOOCs they need to consider the workload for staff involved too. Scaling practice and assessment is huge challenge.

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By: Jim Sweetman http://blogs.cetis.org.uk/sheilamacneill/2013/01/20/how-to-succeed-at-mooc-ing-without-really-trying/#comment-4254 Tue, 22 Jan 2013 10:10:39 +0000 http://blogs.cetis.org.uk/sheilamacneill/?p=2004#comment-4254 Made me chuckle but when I see the institutional weight being used to crush the MOOC idea I think it could be a concept worth defending, however imperfect at the moment.

I think the HE approach to learning desperately needs a shake up and its current state of aggresive defensiveness might be an indication that MOOCs are threatening something.

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By: Sheilamacneill http://blogs.cetis.org.uk/sheilamacneill/2013/01/20/how-to-succeed-at-mooc-ing-without-really-trying/#comment-4253 Tue, 22 Jan 2013 09:57:24 +0000 http://blogs.cetis.org.uk/sheilamacneill/?p=2004#comment-4253 well a mooc is more about taking control yourself so even just reading the daily summary is something. It is difficult to find time to participate and the “massiveness” can be overwhelming. It’s also very easy to be distracted, which is usually my problem

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By: fluff35 http://blogs.cetis.org.uk/sheilamacneill/2013/01/20/how-to-succeed-at-mooc-ing-without-really-trying/#comment-4252 Tue, 22 Jan 2013 09:52:49 +0000 http://blogs.cetis.org.uk/sheilamacneill/?p=2004#comment-4252 Thank you so much Sheila – I now realise, I did this ‘right’ at first (was straight in there on twitter before the MOOC really even started) but since then I have been too busy even to put in the 3 hours p.w. I originally committed, and just read the daily email from the organisers and feel even more overwhelmed by it all…!

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By: Sheilamacneill http://blogs.cetis.org.uk/sheilamacneill/2013/01/20/how-to-succeed-at-mooc-ing-without-really-trying/#comment-4251 Tue, 22 Jan 2013 09:00:29 +0000 http://blogs.cetis.org.uk/sheilamacneill/?p=2004#comment-4251 My pleasure Cris – yes I was thinking about an open available but pay to download book might just do the trick ;-)

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By: Cris (@Cris2B) http://blogs.cetis.org.uk/sheilamacneill/2013/01/20/how-to-succeed-at-mooc-ing-without-really-trying/#comment-4250 Tue, 22 Jan 2013 06:04:23 +0000 http://blogs.cetis.org.uk/sheilamacneill/?p=2004#comment-4250 Hey, another business opportunity still possible might be a book on MOOC humor. These things are taken way too seriously ;-) Thanks for lightening up!

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By: Sheilamacneill http://blogs.cetis.org.uk/sheilamacneill/2013/01/20/how-to-succeed-at-mooc-ing-without-really-trying/#comment-4249 Mon, 21 Jan 2013 12:45:50 +0000 http://blogs.cetis.org.uk/sheilamacneill/?p=2004#comment-4249 Thanks Lou, and good stuff Peter, sounds like you have the perfect strategy there :-)

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By: Peter Whitton (@pete_wh) http://blogs.cetis.org.uk/sheilamacneill/2013/01/20/how-to-succeed-at-mooc-ing-without-really-trying/#comment-4248 Mon, 21 Jan 2013 12:12:53 +0000 http://blogs.cetis.org.uk/sheilamacneill/?p=2004#comment-4248 Great post Sheila. #edcmooc better watch out for a barrage of tweets from me on the utopian and dystopian visions of e-learning, it’s in the bag :-)

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By: Lou McGill http://blogs.cetis.org.uk/sheilamacneill/2013/01/20/how-to-succeed-at-mooc-ing-without-really-trying/#comment-4247 Mon, 21 Jan 2013 10:51:24 +0000 http://blogs.cetis.org.uk/sheilamacneill/?p=2004#comment-4247 loved this Sheila – should be part of our ‘how to be a ” ” expert series; ))

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By: Lorna M. Campbell http://blogs.cetis.org.uk/sheilamacneill/2013/01/20/how-to-succeed-at-mooc-ing-without-really-trying/#comment-4246 Mon, 21 Jan 2013 09:45:27 +0000 http://blogs.cetis.org.uk/sheilamacneill/?p=2004#comment-4246 I’m not laughing, really I’m not. Well…maybe just a little bit ;)

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By: Sheilamacneill http://blogs.cetis.org.uk/sheilamacneill/2013/01/20/how-to-succeed-at-mooc-ing-without-really-trying/#comment-4245 Sun, 20 Jan 2013 20:57:38 +0000 http://blogs.cetis.org.uk/sheilamacneill/?p=2004#comment-4245 Actually just thinking I should have patented my techniques and written an open but pay to download book – could have make a fortune- darn another business opportunity missed

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By: amber thomas http://blogs.cetis.org.uk/sheilamacneill/2013/01/20/how-to-succeed-at-mooc-ing-without-really-trying/#comment-4244 Sun, 20 Jan 2013 20:50:08 +0000 http://blogs.cetis.org.uk/sheilamacneill/?p=2004#comment-4244 So that’s what everyone was up to these past few weeks! It feels like watching a mass delusion sometimes that something is really happening here, man, yeah, except I can’t really see what it all is. Like people telling you about a really cool party that you can crash if you want, man, everybody’s welcome, man, except they’re all off in the bedroom taking some substance that is clearly a bonding experience but is really boring to watch. 4life, man. Yeah.

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