Comments on: When learning means teaching, and learner means teacher – thoughts on #learnersrights

By: Sheilamacneill

Sheilamacneill — Thu, 24 Jan 2013 17:23:09 +0000

Thanks for commenting Alan – and yes totally agree we need to get students to engage with this and give their views. i’n sure there are lots of issues they feel are important which aren’t represented yet

Sheila

By: Alan Levine

Alan Levine — Thu, 24 Jan 2013 17:10:53 +0000

I’m glad to read your thoughts. My first reaction was “nice ideals” but not seeing much that can have an impact. But maybe an increases awareness on student perspective can be good?

I doubt it was meant as imposition if an American idea with the name, and I would have argued for something else.

The biggest problem? A Learner Bill of Rights that is not written by Learners? It feels a bit hollow in that regard.

If this is to be hacked, lets get it in the hands of Learners and get out of the way.

By: Sheilamacneill

Sheilamacneill — Thu, 24 Jan 2013 16:53:56 +0000

Hi Jesse
thanks for the comment. Yes we do need to get more students engaged. Wondering about what the NUS over here would make of this? What they would rights they would like to see enshrined.

Will be really interseting to see where this takes up.

Sheila

By: Jesse Stommel (@Jessifer)

Jesse Stommel (@Jessifer) — Thu, 24 Jan 2013 16:48:38 +0000

Really useful response. I think your question of audience is an important one. I think you are probably right that the audience right now is “teachers/ educational institutions/governments.” I hope that what rises out of this, though, is more student involvement in thinking about pedagogy and hacking our institutions of learning. I’ve been at too many tables talking about pedagogy and the future of education where not enough students were present. So, my hope is that hacks, forks, and reboots of this document are constructed by students and have students as their audience. Pedagogy is going nowhere unless students and learners are at the center of it. As a side note, I’m an “educator,” but when I’m working with students, I consider myself first and foremost a learner right alongside them.

By: dkernohan

dkernohan — Thu, 24 Jan 2013 16:27:31 +0000

I’m with Gardner/Elliot on this one: “That is not it at all/That is not what I meant at all.”. So much I can agree with, yet so much I cannot allow to stand.

I’d better write something.